HW News – Artesian Fallout, Diving GPU Prices, Intel + AMD Vulnerability, & 13900K Tests

HW News – Artesian Fallout, Diving GPU Prices, Intel + AMD Vulnerability, & 13900K Tests

Hey everyone welcome back to the
hardware news recap for the week in this
one we’ll be talking about nvidia
getting a bit desperate and dropping its
gpu msrps officially additionally we’ll
be talking about the i9 3900k leaks for
the engineering sample tests that have
been out there atx 3.0 power supplies
are on the way and we’ll be talking
about how our intel arc a380 video card
review
got age gated for a day
it’s 18 plus content adults only could
can know about the intel
arc a380 gpu
thanks youtube
thanks steve before that this video is
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in the description below first up the
saga that mostly i was tweeting about
when it was going on us getting
demonetized for that a380 review so
technically it wasn’t fully demonetized
only 70 percent demonetized that’s right
for about 30 hours or so we made one
third of the normal revenue from google
adsense because google decided to age
gate our video card review fortunately
for us youtube has lots of employees and
lots of refined processes and for that
reason none of them were able to do
anything eventually one of our viewers
who works for google was able to fix the
problem by escalating it internally to
youtube so thanks to the couple of
viewers who work for google who reached
out to us because we were in a thread
with four people at youtube some of them
fairly high up in the youtube partner
program position
and nothing happened
the impact of that we have benchmarks
for we’ll be looking at that in a future
video but we need to get through all the
hardware stuff first so anyway uh that
was fun kind of interesting to see the
actual effects of an 18 plus age gate it
is
massive we were able to get everything
reinstated properly on the a380 review
if you haven’t seen it you should check
it out and if you didn’t see it because
you clicked on it on mobile or something
and it was a pain in the ass to log in
to watch it well now you can watch it
normally now of course the obvious
question is why was it age gated and
the answer to that is
nobody knows
the people that youtube don’t seem to
know we don’t know the best guess i have
is that our new cyber skeleton shirt is
so realistic that it flags some sort of
ai not even kidding that was one of our
theories we thought it’s either because
of the limited shirt that i’m wearing
that you can get on store cameras access
dot net and thank you to those of you
who bought it that was basically what
made it possible for us to still profit
on that video and not just lose money uh
or it could have been something like how
i pronounced the brand gunner which i am
now pronouncing differently
mixed with a380 which is the name of
multiple different things that could
trigger that algorithm
we don’t know we have no idea but if you
want to pick up the shirt you should go
to store.gamersaccess.net and grab one
of the skeleton shirts we launched it
alongside of our artesian builds video
and it’s been an awesome launch these
are limited we’re only doing one run of
them and they are a skeleton design with
a rib cage on the front made out of
water cooling parts splitters
fittings and individually sleeved cables
things like that pump cap that’s made
out of gold for the heart and then on
the back we have a spine made out of
mosfets inductors vrm components and
genuinely that’s not just us trying to
make money
i need some more data from my benchmark
youtube video and i want to see if it
triggers again so we’ll see if this is h
18 plus also although i did change how
the description lists the skeleton shirt
we put cyber skeleton together as one
word to just to get skeleton well now
i’m saying it a lot in the video so it’s
gonna be the transcript
moving on up next really briefly we have
a new job opening up for a part-time
camera operator slash editing assistant
role right now and this can expand the
full time if you’re interested in
splitting your work between both editing
and camera operation however we could
definitely use the assistance of a
camera operator right now for about 20
hours a week
with some basic editing abilities so
things like cutting down some of the
footage but then passing it to andrew
who will be in sort of the senior
editing position to deal with the rest
if you want more backstory on the
company who we are how many people we
have anything like that well we posted a
hiring video a little while ago for two
other positions and we’ll link that
below you can watch that’s the same
basic background and then our hiring
page also lists some details about the
office and where you get to work it’s an
awesome workplace i love working with
the team that we have here and the
quality of content everybody produces
and the camaraderie we have is just
unmatched so if you want to join that
team
and be part of something that’s really
growing and doing awesome things in the
pc hardware space and leading the way
then check out our hiring page we’ll
link it below behind the scenes of
artesian builds so that video was a lot
of fun to make but we wanted to talk
about one really really common question
that was in the comments and uh this is
something we talked about in the video
but when we talked about how customers
who sent systems in for rmas
won’t get those back if their systems
were in the warehouses at the time they
were all consolidated and auctioned off
some people were asking isn’t that
illegal
well couple points here that hasn’t
stopped companies before first of all
like for example in our opinions not
being lawyers it is probably illegal or
potentially fraudulent in my opinion
only
to
pay employees and then recall the
payments and tell paypal that it was
fraud
just an example
so
when has that stopped anyone the um the
answer to
but wait a minute what about those
customer systems so backstory is we were
talking about in the artesian video how
customers who sent their computers in
for repair in the final month or so
might have had their systems basically
locked up and then without recourse to
get them back because they weren’t
repaired they never went through the
process because the company fired all of
its staff and then it’s left sitting
there the the question of what wouldn’t
the people buying the
lot sort through it well hopefully so
there’s a couple parties involved
artesian itself was consolidated into a
new entity this is a normal part of the
bankruptcy process from what we
understand something like cartesian
future technologies so it consolidates
all the debt and assets and everything
else into that organization and then the
creditors
auction off the goods and the buyer of
the goods does whatever the buyer wants
to do with the goods uh now
for the
consumer systems that were not meant to
be
sold because they’re owned by someone
already with potentially files and
personal data on them
the only way
that the creditor or the buyer of the
auction or anyone involved in the
auction whatsoever including artesians
remaining single staff member that we’re
aware of the only way they would know
that a system belonged to someone is if
it is somehow internally logged and
registered and from what we understand
the inventory and warehousing process on
the west coast was an absolute nightmare
and on the east coast
everybody was fired and
there’s no one left so building on that
now the east coast when we were talking
to them back in february march timeline
their staff there were telling us that
uh in the final days literally the last
two or three days last 12 hours even the
staff that were trying to get systems
out the door to the extent that they
even brought in uh basically a truck of
components from another location so they
could try and build systems and get them
shipped even though they knew the
company was closing down and they were
all going to lose their jobs which is
awesome that is such a stand-up thing to
do to basically stay on the sinking ship
and say i’m going gonna get as many of
these out people as i can because it’s
the right thing to do and those people
went on to form phoenix pcs we have no
experience working with phoenix pcs but
it’s made of many of the same people so
they have the right ethos which is great
and uh hopefully the product is good too
so what that means for
the rma system is if anything was in the
west coast warehouse it probably wasn’t
inventory to track very well if at all
and it very likely could be assumed just
part of the
assets that were purchased and that’s
the problem
so that’s what we’re getting at same for
the east coast if they didn’t get to it
in time it was consolidated
palletized and auctioned that’s it if
there’s no record of this was a
customers then until someone turns it on
and the buyer might not it might be the
next buyer someone like a customer of
the retail shop that bought all the
assets that figures out it belonged to
someone so we were speaking with the
buyer of the auction and
it is his intent it seems to go through
things and figure out if there’s any rma
units that he can identify the owner of
and get them back to their owners and
we’re working with him to try and
facilitate some of that content and
transfer of things to get them back to
where they belong but we’ll follow up
with you all probably in a couple weeks
or a month on that because it’s gonna be
a while we’ll involve some travel for us
so you won’t get an update immediately
but uh something that we’re working on
we’re talking about the buyer of the
auction he spent uh we can’t say exactly
how much but let’s just say between 100
and 200 thousand dollars on the
remaining assets of artesian west and
east he got both of them so that’s some
behind the scenes of what’s happening
next with the artesian story the big
thing we’re gonna look at is just
the purchase stuff we’re gonna go
through with the buyer hopefully and
identify where it needs to go uh
obviously he’s gonna need to make money
on it too so i don’t know it’s out of my
hands but it’s something we’re at least
involved in in terms of reporting on it
okay next one is the crazy m.23
tower cooler it’s a tower cooler for m.2
ssds we’re there now uh over the top m.2
heatsinks were already in the works but
this is probably the
the most over-the-topist
by a company called joe shark and this
is in response to the fastest m.2
devices running increasingly hot as they
increase the speed and pcie generation
and density so the new heatsink is
called the m.23 and it features a
familiar tower cooler design complete
with direct contact heat pipe and a 60
millimeter fan the fin stack measures
roughly 75 by 50 millimeters and the
entire cooler is 82 millimeters tall
standing off of the m.2 drive itself
which would be sandwiched between the
cold plate and a stamped metal mounting
sled with thermal pads for heat transfer
joe shark’s own chart claims a massive
20 to 30 degree reduction in thermals if
we’re to believe these numbers are
accurate and the results will depend
heavily on the ssd cooled some are
two-sided for example then they might be
derived at least partially from the 3000
rpm fan and the size of the heatsink
some quick educational points here if
you don’t know the controller does need
to stay cool on ssds so that would be
more like a cpu or gpu where if it gets
too warm it’ll start to throttle but the
flash nand actually prefers to be warmer
during operation it will benefit the
endurance or the longevity of the memory
if when it’s active it runs warmer when
it’s inactive it actually prefers to be
cooler but uh that’s one of the problems
with this where for example if you took
it to the extreme and let’s say you ran
your system sub-zero we actually had a
viewer ask us about this once where
the viewer was piping in cold air from
outside i believe it wasn’t during
canadian winter and basically asked is
this going to do anything bad it keeps
everything cool but if you run the ssd
at say zero degrees celsius you are
cutting its lifespan significantly for
the memory even though the controller
benefits from it now this is not that
extreme it’s not going to get you below
ambient because that’s physically
impossible unless you source
air from somewhere else or liquid
nitrogen or whatever just something to
be aware of though the controller
benefits the flash does not care if it’s
running cooler when it’s operating
anyway it’s not really feasible to
target just the controller because all
the ssd layouts are at least slightly
different so cooler manufacturers have
to go for a universal approach like this
one the m.23 is currently only available
on taobao for roughly 9 to 13 u.s
depending on the color choice and the
biggest limitation to consider with the
m.23 would be video card compatibility
because it clearly extends into usable
vertical space and we bought one just
just for fun really so
the way that’s going to work is i’m
going to design the thermal testing and
do the test engineering and then mike on
our team is going to run all the tests
we’ll put it together and see if it’s
any good just just for something
different and fun next one nvidia has
finally lowered the msrp of its rtx 30
series graphics cards and retailers have
followed suit this
uh might look like it’s a move in
desperation to try and get rid of
inventory before the rtx 40 series comes
out
but
moving on the 3090ti the 3090 and the
3080ti are all affected in this
conveniently these are also the cards we
raised the alarm about when nvidia
launched them alongside the 3070 ti in
our review of the 3080ti and 3070 ti you
might remember we were extremely
critical because the price increase was
astronomical compared to the non-ti
alternatives and the performance
increase was not astronomical it was
very small as a percentage percentage
dollars to performance increase and
it’s just it wasn’t behavior that
we
thought should be encouraged the only
way possibly it could make sense is if
you got
in any reasonable scenario it didn’t
make sense
but
if you could snipe a 3080ti brand new
and then you don’t consider a
like-for-like environment and you assume
all 30 80s are scalped
then it’s a better deal
back then
but
that’s kind of a pointless comparison
because it’s just not it’s not like for
like scenario so anyway uh we were very
strongly against the 3080 and 3070 ti’s
just because of how aggressive and
egregious they were on the pricing it
was nvidia way overstepping its welcome
and price it does this every couple
years and it has to get knocked back
down and this has happened it happened
with the 20 series and the gtx 10 series
which we’ll come back to so the 30 80 ti
and 30 90 ti and the 30 90 are all
getting cut in price the 30 70 ti should
be cut in price as well not every
reviewer agreed with us on this point
but um
i mean
i don’t care about nvidia’s interests
here i’m not here to to
choose their side on why they would
increase the prices
it was a bad deal for consumers and uh
it’s good that the prices are coming
down but
it’s not because they want to help you
so the company and its board partner
customers are sitting on mountains of
inventory just ahead of the rtx 40
launch it’s the rtx 20 and gtx 10
situation all over again where uh when
the 20 series launched you might
remember the gtx 10 series was still in
high supply and especially as mining
devices flooded the market during
effectively a crypto winter at the
beginning of the 20 series
it’s repeating itself so we’ve seen this
before and we suspect that when the 40
series launches it it may be a similar
situation but we’ll see it depends on
how much better the 40 series is versus
the 30 series with 20 and 10 the
rasterization performance was very
similar at least in terms of the price
action and the ray tracing performance
was irrelevant because nvidia didn’t
ship any
actual games with its partners that had
ray tracing for something like 55 days
after launch and we don’t review
promises as for this news item today the
30 90 ti msrp has gone from two thousand
dollars to fifteen hundred dollars which
is a staggering twenty five percent drop
the thirty ninety is down from fifteen
hundred to thirteen hundred
and the 3080 ti is down from 1200 to
1100 current pricing on newegg and
amazon reflects this change even for
high-end board partner cards now to
sweeten the deal in the same way you
would sweeten rat poison nvidia has also
introduced a new game bundle this is
something that amd has been doing with
its cards as well because both of the
companies are desperate right now
nvidia’s new bundle is called
really it’s called face your demons this
could be an apt name for nvidia if the
recent rumors about gpu overstock have
any truth to them right now if you buy a
3080 or higher followed by the
redemption process you can get game
codes for ghostwire tokyo and do
maternal along with its two ancient gods
dlcs but gn why are you salty about this
and calling it rat poison you might ask
well nvidia calls this four games except
it’s two
the other two games are dlc for one of
the first two games
doesn’t count nvidia it’s not the same
and nvidia genuinely calling to dlc
add-ons games is harmful to the very
trust you are trying to build right now
it serves no purpose other than a
destructive one so
probably best to not do that uh all
right up next tech reviewer extreme
player has released a video on billy
billy of testing what he claims is an
intel raptor lake i9 13 900k engineering
sample with raptor lake being the 13th
gen of intel cpus so this engineering
sample showed eight performance cores
and 16 efficient cores it was tested
against the alder lake 12900 kf and
turbo speeds for the p cores showed as
5.5 gigahertz all core and 5.8 gigahertz
with two cores active for cache l3 was
reported at 35 megabytes and l2 at 32
megabytes this is up from the 1200 kf’s
30 megabytes and 14 megabytes
respectively these tests again were done
on an engineering sample we’ve had
engineering samples in the past that
were basically the same as retail and
then we’ve had them also with
significant features removed or
deactivated so
this may not be representative of what’s
actually coming out testing was
performed on an asus rog maximus z690
extreme which would have just gotten
basic support for raptor lake no gaming
tests were run but there was an array of
synthetic tests so performance uplift
over the 12 900 kf was reportedly at
roughly nine percent higher average
single thread and 35
average higher multi threat while these
results are interesting if true they may
not reflect the final performance
figures so be sure to check our review
when that one comes out up next evga has
seen the recent surge in interest in
transient power spikes on upcoming gpus
and it’s tipping its marketing towards
it this time with some power adapters so
evga’s new powerlink connectors are the
41s and the 52u the 41s is for the 39ti
fcw3 only and the 52u is only for the
kin pin 390ti so
they might as well hand make them at
that point there’s not going to be that
many the 41s provides conversion from
four pcie eight pin power connectors
and uh it converts them to one pcie
12-pin high power connector directly
connected to the video card for the 41s
it also has a rgb lighting and it has
some filtering capacitors that are built
into it that evga claims helps with
things like transient spikes and power
stability at least according to them the
52u does the same thing sands the rgb
and plus one more connector on each side
making it two 12 pins so we’re now at a
motherboard’s worth of pins on a video
card and there’s also a connection for
five eight pins
or 40
40 pins
that’s where we are evga markets these
as a solution for power stability cable
management and airflow cable management
could be argued for but there’s no
meaningful benefit to airflow whatsoever
here and no moving some cables out of
the way for the video card don’t
actually make an impact evj’s own image
of the powerlink 41s installed shows a
mess of pcie power cables sticking out
at random it might be more challenging
to kill manage with these than without
them now we’re not likely to test these
at this point
it’s just not really worth it but
it’s out there if you have a 30 90 ti
ftw3 or kingpin
this might be a fix for your cabling or
something uh the kingpin version is only
available as a 2500 bundle right now
with
an evga power supply supernova 16 100
watt power supply the p2 so you
shouldn’t really be dealing with
spike problems too much regardless
unless you’re actually doing extreme
overclocking or something at which point
uh you should probably run two power
supplies so uh if you buy the powerlink
41s it’s 60 there’s no separate page for
the 52u though up next keeping up with
the high powered theme atx 3.0 power
supplies are finally on the way
power supply manufacturers are starting
to reveal their upcoming atx 3.0
compliance power supplies and as a
reminder the atx 3.0 spec includes some
language about higher transient load
spike tolerance as well as pcie gen 5
connections for variable pcie power
limiting and up to 600 watts on one
twelve plus four pin cable we’ve
previously covered msi’s ai 1300p and
similar power supplies coming out and
now thermaltake has officially announced
its new lineup of atx
3.0 compatible power supplies with them
ranging 750 watts up to 1650 watts for
the flagship and that’s in the tough
power
irgb plus line
it’s a titanium option for sfx form
factor thermaltake also has a 750y 850
watt and 1000 watt set of models and
there’s actually a 1000 watt sfx l
although the previously mentioned ones
are all sfx 3.42 and atx 3.0 standard
compatible or compliant other companies
like c sonic are releasing power
supplies that aren’t atx 2.0 but have
the new 12 vh power cable either with
the new connector on both ends or
converting from two eight pins on the
power supply side as far as basic power
delivery is concerned this is fine the
four additional pins on the 12 vh power
connector only terminate to ground on
two pins and are open on two pins the
second two pins are for signaling data
between the device and the power supply
but that hasn’t yet been implemented yet
for
any power supply that we’ve heard now
all that said you should be aware that
just because a new power supply has a
new cable doesn’t mean it’s
automatically atx 3.0 or pcie gen 5
compliant
up next the ghost of spectre is still
with us in the way of rep bleed a new
speculative execution cpu vulnerability
affecting both intel and amd cpus this
was discovered by the comsec group a
group of security researchers at eth
zurich and both amd and denzel have
published security bulletins regarding
the vulnerability this new exploit is
related to the older spectre attacks due
to exploiting the actual mitigation for
spectre called reptyline the researchers
found that they could trigger conditions
to manipulate repellents into giving
them access to protected parts of memory
and the researchers outlined that
exploit here they said quote we have
found that we can trigger the
microarchitectural conditions on both
amd and intel cpus that forces returns
to be predicted like indirect branches
we also built the necessary tools to
discover locations in the linux kernel
where these conditions are met we found
that we can inject the branch targets
that reside inside the kernel address
space even as an unprivileged user even
though we cannot access branch targets
inside the kernel address space
branching to such a target results in a
page fault the branch prediction unit
will update itself upon observing a
branch and assume that it was illegally
executed even if it’s to a kernel
address comsec goes on to explain the
differences in their approach for amd
and intel systems but the fundamentals
are the same the researchers have
verified that rep lead works against zen
1 7-1 plus and zen two on the amd side
and gen six through eight on the intel
core side mitigations for rep bleed are
already possible but com sex predictions
indicate a potential performance loss of
14 to 39 percent and pharonix has
already confirmed performance hits in
its own article and you can read that or
complex paper for more information up
next just really quickly asus has
released some intel raptor like bios’s
these are early revisions they add
raptor lake or 13th gen support for z690
motherboards that are already out this
reconfirms what we already knew which is
that intel raptor lake will be available
on existing z690 boards and these will
socket into the
uh existing lga 1700 sockets so some
other b660 h70 and h610 boards were also
announced for a july 15th release
by asus and asrock similarly has its own
updates that are raptor lake enabled and
msi will be following soon after this
mostly reconfirms what we already knew
which is that ddr4 remains supported on
raptor lake because it’s supported on
alder lake and they are intercompatible
and also confirms that it’s just an
in-socket upgrade asus notes that
installing the initial bios versions is
basically only for compatibility and it
shouldn’t be done for performance
testing up next samsung has launched
some new gddr6 24 gigabit per second
memory this is on its third generation
of what it calls 10 nanometer class
process and it also calls this one z
also known as one zed for those of you
who
know hardware unboxed
not actually sure if he says that or not
but he probably should
and of course the singular he when
referring to hardware unboxed refers to
the collective singular entity that
forms when steve and tim combine their
powers to become
the hardware unboxed superhero
not really sure where i was going with
that
but they’ll appreciate it and that’s all
that matters hello steven tim so samsung
claims that its new gddr6 is 30 faster
than the previous generations 18
gigabits per second what how do they do
it 24 happens to be 33 percent bigger
than 18. amazing now in reality when you
put this memory onto future gpus
it’s not going to be as linear as just
they’re instantly 30 better of course
there’s more to it than that but the
speed does contribute in
bandwidth bound situations especially
now instead of confusing metrics like
gigabits or terabytes or terabits per
second samsung has of course
reintroduced it’s very popular and very
well known
fhd mps or full hd movies per second one
of the most universally accepted and
well understood metrics for speed in the
entire industry samsung says that this
memory can do 275 full hd movies per
second on a fully loaded graphics card
how does that compare to other ones
we don’t know regardless of the
unhelpful unit of measurement the
performance uplift on this new g6 will
be a help to the next generation of
video cards which should be coming out
later this year and finally silverstone
has another one of its extremely niche
products this is a an m.2 add-on card
it’s an
ecs07 as the product name and it has a
sata 3 controller built onto an m.2 card
running off of two lanes of pcie gen 3
to a j micron jmb 585 controller which
gives you a couple of sata ports off of
an m.2 card
so kind of a
it’s one of the cool silverstone things
they do where at trade shows they always
have a wall of random stuff
uh
most of it not particularly useful but
all of it interesting and this falls in
line with that
it’s not a big
market in terms of options so if you
need more sata ports this might be a way
to do it that’s it for this one thanks
for watching as always subscribe for
more go to store.gamersaccess.net or
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directly and we’ll see you all next time

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Hardware News for the week is packed! We talk fallout of the Artesian Builds warranty/return issue, YouTube age-gating our A380 review temporarily, NVIDIA desperately dropping RTX 30 prices, and more. Other topics include leaks of the Intel Core i9-13900K ES (Engineering Sample) CPUs getting some benchmarks, coupled with official releases of beta Raptor Lake BIOSes for the 13th Gen CPUs.

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