Hot Money: Inside porn star chamber | FT

Hot Money: Inside porn star chamber | FT
In the season finale, Alex and Patricia discover how Visa and MasterCard became the reluctant rulers of porn. And they figure out what being ruled by credit card companies means for the porn industry today.

Hot Money will take you inside who controls the industry, tell you about the rivalries and expose the power battles. You’ll hear from adult directors and performers, tech pioneers and Wall Street billionaires — and you’ll be left surprised by who’s really in control. You can listen to the other episodes at https://on.ft.com/3tglc9h

hello I’m Kim Goldman victim Advocate and author but you may know me for the past 28 years as Ron Goldman’s sister
the bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were discovered about midnight Sunday Ron was murdered June 12
1994 alongside Nicole Brown Simpson in what would become known as the trial of the century we the jury in the above and
title action find the defendant orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder and violation since 1994 I’ve had
the distinct privilege to meet other victims and their families who’ve had similar experiences they’ve endured
tragedy heartbreak all with the whole world watching that’s why I’ve partnered with cast media to create a new podcast
called media circus we’ll take a deeper look into high-profile crimes you think you know sharing the human stories
behind the headlines in their own words on their own terms subscribe to my new show Media circus from cast media
wherever you listen to podcasts and please leave us a rating and review
as you’ll know by now we made a series to investigate where power lies and the porn industry this
episode like all the others contains adult themes including references to
disturbing and illegal content [Music]
years ago I discovered that the world’s biggest porn company had a secret owner
a man who lived like a shadow for nearly a decade finding him
turned out to be my Gateway into the Maze of the pornography business the
discovery that set us off to report on four Decades of Breakneck change in the industry
and when you boil it down each era involves money moving from one wealthy
pornographer to another but today things are different
with platforms such as only fans it has never been easier for performers to shoot content on their own terms and
sell it straight to fans on demand which yes equals more money for them so all
good right not so fast I specialize mostly in fetish stuff so
Financial domination just bratty stuff that’s Ali Knox she’s creative and
bright like many performers we’ve met in the series and to make a living she hasn’t just
relied on being a dominatrix she’s carved out other personas too
thank you for being here playing with me today so I thought I’d tease you a little
today and play a little bit fans also love to watch Ali smoke weed
which she buys legally at her local dispensary in Las Vegas she could make
her own videos smoking weed and she had platforms where she could sell them in
her words she was sovereign and when we say her fans loved it Ali can make
around a thousand dollars a month reselling mostly old videos of her
getting stoned or she could until payments companies got cold feet a few
months ago probably January February I started noticing that my videos are being rejected so if I would upload
something the platform would say no you can’t have this you had drugs in it or you had smoking we don’t allow this
anymore you violated the terms and why it took her quite a lot of digging
around but in the end one of the platforms she used most got back to her
they were scared of losing access to the big credit card Networks
I can’t put any videos of me smoking weed on the internet anymore MasterCard has come through and said that there can
be no drug use even though again it’s legal this might not sound like such a big deal
important performers have for years not been allowed to drink alcohol in their films this was surely just another one
of those rules a way to tighten up standards and protect people on set
but for Ali losing a big chunk of her livelihood didn’t feel like added
security so now if I can’t do that I gotta go find where I’m gonna make that thousand dollars because my mortgage hasn’t
changed my car payments haven’t changed so am I gonna have to go to the street am I going to have to escort am I still
gonna have to start Crossing on my boundaries and all of those things happened when credit card processing with our income what’s so odd
about Ali’s situation is that it comes after she found a degree of Independence
she could make and sell her own content just as long as she had a payment
Channel I had no idea when I got in the industry that my biggest
my biggest hurdle was gonna be my paid crazy agent or I was gonna be unsafe on
a porn site all the things that people tell you I never knew that my biggest risk was going to be how I could pay my bills
she is trying to use crypto but it’s tough she first has to convince people
to use it but it can take days then arrange for the payment then wait 15
minutes or so to confirm the transaction it’s far from ideal for impulse
purchases and this Ali Knox has in common with the biggest
porn companies in the world it doesn’t matter if you’re the owner of
pornhub or a one-woman Enterprise the Visa and MasterCard networks can hobble
your business payment companies in the end set the limits of how any porn business can make
money so who are the people taking these kinds
of decisions who decides what everybody from Ali to the owners of the biggest
porn sites in the world can put on the internet in our final episode
we pull back the curtain and meet the real rulers of porn
I’m Patricia Nelson I’m Alex Barker from Pushkin Industries and the financial
times this is hot money
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act one the windowless room
in previous episodes we explained visa and MasterCard were powerful enough to
PornHub and minegeek and how payment networks day by day influence
what can be made on a commercial porn set the real mystery to us was how did
they get into a position like this not like these payment companies want to
be seen as Pawn Regulators they didn’t ask for the job and they don’t like talking about it both companies declined
to do an interview with us but we did manage to track down two guys
who used to be on the inside two guys who between them spent a total
of 30 years at Visa first meet a Dapper Suite called Stanley
skugland I was the enforcerer Visa’s rules for a
number of years Stanley left Visa around a decade ago
but he witnessed The crucial period for our story the moment that visa and MasterCard
became The Reluctant rulers of porn land how step by step the companies waded
into porn regulation it started with the explosion of the
internet payments suddenly went from in-person transactions to Virtual ones they relied
on Trust on everybody playing by the rules and in the early days porn was the big
test it wasn’t just the credit card scammers people would pay for porn and then if
their partner found the credit card bill a lot of them would deny all knowledge and demand a refund porn was a hot topic
now from a moral point of view but because it was so desirable but also
people didn’t want to get caught using pornography that’s why it became a big
thing you know from a a fraud perspective so the bank stand took that
to this I said you have to do something about this it has to stop because we’re you know inundated
in the early 2000s Stanley reckons porn made up roughly 10
to 15 a Visa’s online transaction volumes it was too big to ignore
and along with the fraud visa and MasterCard realized they had to
work out ways to deal with content too they’re really bad stuff like videos of
child abuse for some reason those people who are
interested in that they found the internet a very useful Place very early
on unfortunately it would always be clandestine it would never be obviously
child porn you know Inc come here and buy your images so it was quite
deceptive I would say it meant Visa had to build up its intelligence find some
way to track the internet and the site selling porn who was going to do that
well in the mid 90s the man in charge of risk at Visa was a well-regarded former
FBI agent called dick held and no dick help wasn’t his cover name
dick held really was the guy who started to figure out how to regulate internet
porn there was no obvious solution Visa’s initial idea was just to set up a
special porn monitoring team it worked from a windowless room deep inside
Visa’s headquarters in the San Francisco Bay area did you ever get in the room no
no and this is where we want to introduce Visa guy number two Kevin
Smith you heard from him in an earlier episode
he’s a payments expert and Kevin loves payments
his face lights up when talking about PIN codes and Zip Zap machines the
things that would take imprints of credit cards in the 1980s for 17 years Kevin worked her visa often
handling issues related to high-risk merchants in other words porn and that’s
how he knew about the windowless room it was this strange thing it was this yes everyone knew of it but it was it wasn’t
clandestine and secret it just wasn’t talked about I mean it’s if you look at it in hindsight it just didn’t sound
right that the Visa actually had this group of people that were manually
going out there trying to find violations and get them shut down
I mean it’s a horrible job incredibly laborious and manual and probably highly
ineffective which is why you needed to find a more technical solution to address it quickly by the end of the 90s
Visa shut down the porn room they pretty quickly realized that way Madness lies
they knew they could never effectively screen all the horrors of the internet
and they realized there was a much better option they could delegate
they could Outsource spying on porn to somebody else in the payment system the
banks and billers and service providers in the Visa and MasterCard Networks
but to Outsource anything Visa needed rules for others to apply
and when you’re a global business on an issue like porn that’s easier said than done if you look
at it you know child pornography everyone agrees that yeah it’s horrible nobody wants to be associated with it
but actually there are many countries around the world that don’t actually have any legislation that says in this jurisdiction child pornography is
illegal for a company like Visa operating across the globe even defining
what is outright illegal and definitely shouldn’t be processed can be tricky
Visa’s main regulations run to something like 900 Pages porn is a tiny tiny
fraction of that but it played a special role in how the rules developed
porn was one of the first areas where card companies built an enforcement
system to manage risky online business when Visa and Mastercards started to
clamp down in the early 2000s one adult payments veteran told us it was like the
sheriff coming to pawn town real regulation registration rules
supervision requirements even fines
the unique nature of porn also made visa and MasterCard deviate from a cherished
principle these payment networks succeed by being everywhere and they can only do that by
supporting all lawful Commerce without taking a moral stance neutrality is good for business
porn was the exception in the 2000s Visa decided that since
their brands gave porn sites credibility helping consumers trust them
they couldn’t ignore what the porn sites were selling even if it was strictly
legal MasterCard took a similar approach this is Stanley skugland again those
decisions we took they were never taken lightly because you know Visa cannot be
a police man of the world trying to say you can buy this but you can’t buy that you can see how that could go wrong
quite quickly but especially in these instances where it was yeah violence where it was borderline underage kind of
simulated rape so there were areas where the legality of it wasn’t necessarily
what made Visa take action this is all encapsulated in Visa rule
1.3 0.3 0.4 a ban on selling images that
are illegal in most parts of the world like bestiality or non-consensual
mutilation but also on top of that a much broader
catch-all Clause brand protection literally a ban on anything that might
bring Visa into disrepute and out of these decisions emerged a
system for keeping porn in check the apparatus of control we see today in
the porn world this was our takeaway but we wanted to put it to people who had seen the system
from the inside so we asked Kevin straight up the Visa and MasterCard
ruled the porn industry um probably yes and the reason for that is that there
are there are some significant names in the industry and they are incredibly influential
but at the end of the day they are influential over their own content Visa
Mastercard cut across all of these and and yes perversely Visa Mastercard
inadvertently has become the semi-regulator controller of this industry visa and MasterCard use their
direct power with restraint but they ultimately oversee the card
networks the networks that create that messy Thicket of rules and best practice
codes that left Ali Knox unable to sell videos of her smoking weed while naked
and the ones that stopped Stoya the performer and author we’ve heard from a
few times in the series from working when she is on her period or even telling her fans that she is
whoever is the Arbiter of what can be done with sexual media
uh in sexual performance like I have no idea who they are did they did they take a philosophy class like are they do they
have a degree in women’s studies after the break we’ll see whether there are any
philosophers at the heart of Visa’s porn operation
hello I’m Kim Goldman victim Advocate and author but you may know me for the past 28 years as Ron Goldman’s sister
the bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were discovered about midnight Sunday Ron was murdered June 12
1994 alongside Nicole Brown Simpson in what would become known as the trial of the century we the jury in the above and
title action find the defendant orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation since 1994 I’ve had
the distinct privilege to meet other victims and their families who’ve had similar experiences they’ve endured
tragedy heartbreak all with the whole world watching that’s why I’ve partnered with cast media to create a new podcast
called media circus we’ll take a deeper look into high-profile crimes you think you know sharing the human stories
behind the headlines in their own words on their own terms subscribe to my new show Media circus from cast media
wherever you listen to podcasts and please leave us a rating and review
act two playing God [Music]
Series has been about power we’ve met a cast of secretive
pornographers ruthless bankers supercharged Tech Bros
and we’ve always been led by the question who rules porn
who ultimately decides on what can and cannot be made in this business
and now in slightly absurd passion We’ve Ended up at the doorstep of visa and
MasterCard giant Financial Services providers but who at Visa was actually deciding on
porn policy estoya asked are they moral philosophers women’s
studies phds Kevin Smith had the answer because
at one point he was one of the people making these calls
you’ve got a number of individuals playing God in a room that’s how the process has worked but
it’s offset by the fact that you’ve got so many different disciplines there to give you a balanced and appropriate
answer based on each individual case there’s a whole raft of individuals it’s almost like the Star Chamber because I
was involved in similar versions in Visa in Europe the Star Chamber back in the
Middle Ages was created to supplement the normal court system in England it
sometimes handled cases that were moral issues rather than clear breaches of the
law which might sound a little familiar at its best the Star Chamber was
flexible and judicious drawing in a wide range of opinion
but under certain Kings it became a byword for arbitrary power it was
secretive it lacked you process
well difficult to imagine you know senior Executives at Visa sitting down
at the table and being like peeing on other people you know sexy or
not yeah it’s a tough job you know if you’re sitting there looking at a review
of potential non-compliance activities with the rules you’re going to look at the content you’re going to look at you
know ridiculously sounding website names or or descriptors it comes with the
territory maybe to you it makes perfect sense but I think to most people kind of most civilians it would be quite
extraordinary that these types of conversations take place at Visa um yeah they probably don’t realize that
these conversations are happening every day not just on adult but on every single Merchant environment you can
think of for Kevin making decisions that could affect
thousands of people in the porn industry was just part of the job routine
the same goes for Stanley he was more on the enforcement side but
helped take decisions about businesses that broke visa rules he’s not a philosopher sorry Stoya but
Stanley is a trained sociologist and as a student he happened to take classes in
gender studies and the history of ideas so story I wasn’t that far off
Stanley and Kevin of course wouldn’t have seen themselves as porn Regulators
they were payment professionals managers of risk and facilitators of Commerce
when they were at Visa they dealt with pyramid schemes and strange frauds with
gambling and drugs with things that pretended to be drugs all the crazy
things you can buy online in these cases visa and MasterCard were
trying to apply a complex Patchwork of local laws within a Global Payments
Network but Astoria explained porn seems to be different payment networks do restrict
things that are legal like menstrual blood or cats is that actually Visa Mastercard
here’s Stanley again 99.99 I can tell you that that probably
isn’t the case visa mastercard’s rules would not be as detailed it they would
not address these issues but that Visa would say yes
you can you know shoot at home but you can’t insert an object into your body or
you can’t have animals in the frame or you can’t perform sex acts while you’re
menstruating no now Stanley is right
Visa does not ban videos with menstrual blood not explicitly in its rules
but Stoya is also right menstrual blood is not allowed on most
of the major porn platforms that take credit cards why the discrepancy
the answer is quite revealing when Kevin and Stanley think about rules
they mean the Visa and MasterCard core operating rules the Commandments
they talk of them like the law and in these regulations Visa doesn’t explicitly ban blood
or smoking weed in videos Visa enjoys an arm’s length position
from it all but at the same time Visa does encourage a whole chain of people
in the pawn payment system to make judgments on its behalf
they are told to protect the brand they have to interpret the rules monitor
sites and promote what visa would call best practices and in part to keep visa and MasterCard
happy those payment companies and platforms ban menstrual blood and weed
smoking in porn the example the performer Ali raised they’re making all
these arbitrary rules to push us off the internet to push us further and deeper underground we’re constantly under
threat of censorship of Regulation
Kevin and Stanley see that as different from a Visa rule but for performers like
Stoya and Ali there is no difference in practice or in Impact it’s very hard for us to
live stable Lifestyles we didn’t have to shoot for porn companies anymore we didn’t have to have shitty agents and
then regulations came through and now we’re back to being
visa and MasterCard clearly don’t make all these decisions but they do shape
the network and try to shape an approach we’ve talked to lots of payment people
for the series but Kevin and Stanley more than anyone else helped us
understand the mindset within the credit card duopoly the psyche of a reluctant
ruler that they eat the right people to be the kind of ultimate you know
quasi-regulators of Paul um in the absence of anyone else I would
say yes and that could be quite a ballsy answer but at the end of the day I think Visa Mastercard through their
relationships they have a good local understanding of what’s going on in this industry
actually it’s challenges and it’s constant Evolution I mean there is a shared responsibility that says nobody
wants to kill the industry but it needs to make sure that as it moves forward it’s doing so in a legally defensible
way what Kevin described is a murky
self-regulating system that to some extent keeps porn in check when he was
at Visa I can imagine he was more or less trying to do the right thing
and he worked in a system that by its very nature involves different interests
that often balance one another p itcher who is sitting around the table there
will be Visa Executives whose job it is to drum up more business and encourage
more transactions then there will be people with a different Outlook
teams managing risk worrying about the brand or the legal consequences of using
Visa’s power Visa’s aim and frankly the aim of the adult industry too is to try to find a
balance where money is Flowing but the risks in the system are managed
there is a recognition that everyone needs everyone else the whole thing is symbiotic if one of the parties falls
out then the whole damn thing Falls over visa and MasterCard almost by accident
have filled a power vacuum and a regulation of porn around the world
it’s such a peculiar position to be in and to Stanley it carries obvious risks
it’s difficult to judge when to intervene and when to hold back
I mean do you think that visa and MasterCard do you think they realize how
how much power they have how people in the adult industry see them as
their defect regulator yes I think you may be on to something
that that if you have worked in that position a long time
and you don’t engage with the industry yes I think there’s absolutely a risk that you don’t understand either the de
facto power you have or how it is perceived and perhaps that is something
would benefit but Visa MasterCard to be more kind of self-critical in their
reflection of how these programs and how these policies are implemented
[Music] approach for visa and MasterCard
we’ll try to do some critical reflection ourselves With a Little Help from the performer
Stoya that’s coming straight after the break
hello I’m Kim Goldman victim Advocate and author but you may know me for the
past 28 years as Ron Goldman’s sister the bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman were discovered about
midnight Sunday Ron was murdered June 12 1994 alongside Nicole Brown Simpson in
what would become known as the trial of the century we the curate in the above entitle action find a dependent orenthal
James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation since 1994 I’ve had
the distinct privilege to meet other victims and their families who’ve had similar experiences they’ve endured
tragedy heartbreak all with the whole world watching that’s why I’ve partnered with cast media to create a new podcast
called media circus we’ll take a deeper look into high-profile crimes you think you know sharing the human stories
behind the headlines in their own words on their own terms subscribe to my new
show Media circus from cast media wherever you listen to podcasts and please leave us a rating and review
act three ruled by Stoya
we are near the end of our journey through the porn industry and we’re going back to the person who set us off
at the beginning the performer and artist Stoya her advice was invaluable and at least
for us totally Unforgettable if
try to make a podcast test that’s about all of porn it’s going to be scattered
and messy and not make sense you are the financial times I suggest you stay in
your lane you focus on the business aspect you focus on the finances
stay in your lane at that point we had secretive porn
Barons in our sights big Empires pumping out porn to the world
men who lived in the shadows fake names no real public presence
people like burnt burgmeyer pornhub or Stefan Paco the owner of XVideos
we thought they were the most powerful people in porn but what we realized is that they aren’t
the masters of their own fate what we discovered is that the real rule
of support were much closer to home the credit card networks and they were
in plain sight the porn Barons have immense power and influence sure
but always within boundaries defined by payment companies visa and MasterCard have the last word
these are in MasterCard are truly vast corporations Visa is the world’s biggest
financial company the single biggest and MasterCard is something like the
third and let’s be frank visa and MasterCard aren’t wildly
exciting companies even for financial journalists we all use them every day
but give them as much attention as the plumbing in our house but by examining the porn industry we
saw the incredible power these payment networks wheeled over the internet
instead of the government defining what is and is not considered
sexually acceptable it’s a corporation a credit card company
is defining what is and does not sexually okay
you think about what the core goal is on their part it’s not necessarily you know
the good of the community or Society whatever it’s actually the protection of their brand and no fault of theirs I
mean that that’s what a company’s there to do but that’s not necessarily the thing that we want to use as our measure
of whether um pornography is okay or what kind of pornography is okay yeah
and like it feels like a really bad idea to be saying like actually I think the
government should pay more attention to porn um but I don’t think that MasterCard and
Visa should be the decision makers on this
we have spoken to people at these companies we can tell you with absolute confidence
that visa and MasterCard don’t want to be the decision makers either
they oversee A system that sets standards for World porn but they just hate doing it
they are trapped in this thankless job deciding and enforcing moral codes on
sex it goes against all their instincts but what’s the alternative imagine the
reaction if they did explicitly allow payments for videos that depicted rape
so if the question is who should rule porn we probably don’t have much choice
cryptocurrencies are still too clunky and expensive to use up the role of
credit cards in porn and if crypto did take over there might be no rules left
at all what about governments they certainly have immense power over
porn companies within their borders but we’ve talked to Regulators who are
trying to tighten up rules around porn they struggle to get the big porn platforms based in far-off jurisdictions
to even respond to their messages they don’t have the leverage of visa and
Mastercard or the global reach so in practice visa and MasterCard
remain indispensable there is nobody else
how should these payment networks use their power there are some areas where Stoya given
the choice might actually have taken a tougher approach like with so-called foe
CEST if you’ve been on a porn site in recent Years you’ll have noticed that
there’s a craze for sexual fantasies about step relatives
Stoya wants to see less of it around but then she also thinks decisions like this
deserve an open debate the kind of thing a government would have when making law
call your Senator and be like hey I actually want to defend step incest porn
because it’s a fantasy and so we’re talking about thought crimes and you
know I think I think soy is wrong I think she’s being reactionary and like overstepping
but with payment companies in control it’s impossible to have that kind of
meaningful debate you know it’s not like I can go down to the MasterCard office
and be like hello I would like to have a civil dialogue about this like that’s
not gonna happen this might be one of the things that can be improved the
arbitrary nature of that power visa and MasterCard may be reluctant
morality police but that’s no excuse for operating at times almost by stealth and
issuing vague catch-all rules that are turned by payment networks into
bizarrely precise often inconsistent restrictions [Music]
we asked MasterCard for a recorded interview they were helpful with background
information but in the end they declined if we did have that conversation
we’d probably start with some optimism we’ve tracked a crazy era for the adult
industry porn has gone from being scarce and expensive to being everywhere and
mostly free all within a generation and in business terms
it is giving warmers more power and Independence and most importantly money
if that can improve their working conditions that is surely welcome we’ve
seen how visa and MasterCard oversee a regulatory system for porn
but who are these rules for the truth is they’re not designed to protect the
performers they’re not designed to protect the viewer the rules are there to protect the Visa and MasterCard
brands but it is the only system we have
how could it work better we have one suggestion this Series has been about how big porn
Barons are reliant on Visa and MasterCard and how visa and MasterCard
are reluctant rulers of the porn barons those two things have created a really
patchy system of rules and a weird situation where tube sites serving free
porn have fewer restrictions than sides taking credit cards even though tube
sides are easier for underage people to access if fees run MasterCards said to win
owner you own tube science you own pay sites we’re going to treat everything
you own as one that would be one way to be more consistent and bring in tighter
standards on moderation to help lower the risk of unlawful videos appearing on
tube sites don’t underestimate the power of visa and MasterCard when credit card
companies call even secretive pornographers would feel compelled to
pick up the phone because right now they don’t want to talk
and that brings me back to the one moment where I thought I heard the voice
of the man who was the start of this whole journey burned bergmeyer or BB
the X Goldman Sachs Banker who I revealed was the secret owner of
minegeek I was so excited to find his Hong Kong
number I call a man picked up
I like to think it was BB hello this is Patricia Nelson from the
financial times this is Brent burgmeyer as I introduced myself
in that Split Second maybe he thought what do I say
do I have anything to hide from this reporter a millennium of Shame about sex and porn
might have flashed across his mind but then maybe he reconsidered things have
changed porn is everywhere everyone watches it it’s a business like
any other is it time to explain what I do
he paused and then he hung up
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[Music] Goldman victim Advocate and author but
you may know me for the past 28 years as Ron Goldman’s sister the bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman
were discovered about midnight Sunday Ron was murdered June 12 1994 alongside
Nicole Brown Simpson in what would become known as the trial of the century we the jury in the above entitled action
find a defendant orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation since 1994 I’ve had the
distinct privilege to meet other victims and their families who’ve had similar experiences they’ve endured tragedy
heartbreak all with the whole world watching that’s why I’ve partnered with cast media to create a new podcast
called media circus we’ll take a deeper look into high-profile crimes you think you know sharing the human stories
behind the headlines in their own words on their own terms subscribe to my new
show Media circus from cast media wherever you listen to podcasts and please leave us a rating and review
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